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    31 Days of Charlotte Mason: Narration by Karen Glass (Day 16)

    October 16, 2013 by Brandy Vencel

    Karen Glass is one of my favorite Charlotte Mason people of all time because she is one of the first Charlotte Mason people I ever encountered. (Well, that isn’t the only reason.) A big thanks to her for taking the time to write this for the 31 Days of Charlotte Mason Series!

    Karen Glass serves on the Advisory Board for AmblesideOnline, and is a homeschooling mother of four. Two children have graduated and gone on to college, and two more remain at home following Charlotte Mason’s methods. Karen has lived in Krakow, Poland since 1997, and blog ecclectically and sporadically at U Krakovianki. She will also be contributing to Archipelago, the official blog of the AO Advisory. She reads, she thinks, and, sometimes, she writes.

    When Charlotte Mason’s name comes up during a discussion about education, it’s almost certain that “narration” will be mentioned as well. It really isn’t possible to implement her methods without including narration. We describe narration — correctly — as having a child tell back what he has heard or read. It sounds so simple, it seems as if it might be “not enough” work to do after a reading, or even something that could be dispensed with altogether. Do not be misled.

    Throughout the CM Series, narration is usually presented as an alternative to asking questions about a lesson just read. Because of that, it might be easy to imagine that narration, because it takes the place of questioning, also serves the same purpose, but this is not so. What is the purpose of asking questions? In Charlotte Mason’s time, the idea was that by careful questioning, teachers were teaching children how to think. By the time I was in school, it was a common “study hint” to suggest that one read the questions at the end of the chapter before reading the chapter, so one knew in advance what to look for. If you were clever, you could just skim the text, and pick out the pre-digested answers to the ready-made questions, and no thinking needed to occur at all.

    But even that questioning with the higher ideal of “teaching children to think” is deceptive, because it presupposes that children cannot or do not think. Charlotte Mason believed otherwise, and narration has another purpose altogether. Rather than teaching a child to think, it requires him to do so.

    A child who has heard a historical lesson, or a fairy tale, or a description of a far-away place is asked to narrate — to tell back what he has heard. Knowing that he would be asked for that narration secures attention, and now what must he do? He must cast his mind back over what he has heard, and choose a starting place. He cannot repeat everything, perhaps, so he must use his judgment and choose those things that are the most important, and tell those. He must recall the order of events, and order his thoughts so that his retelling is understandable. All these mental processes must take place, and the parent who doubts should follow Charlotte’s suggestion to read and narrate a chapter for himself. It is a mental labor, and a child is able to do it.

    So a homeschooling parent, convinced that narration is important, and determined to implement it, asks “Please tell me back what you have heard.” And so often it seems the theory falls down before the reality of a six-year-old child. Of course there are those natural, very verbal children who narrate at length so that their narration is longer than the original text, and no detail is too minor to be included. But there are children who repeat back verbatim the last sentence you read, still fresh in their minds. There are children who describe quite accurately what occurred, but refer to “he” and “they” and “somewhere,” instead of Paul Revere and the British soldiers and Lexington. There are children who summarize tersely, “It was about Columbus.”

    Does it mean the narration method that does not work? No. But it takes time to build those mental muscles, and we should take care not to be visibly disappointed or impatient with those early efforts. If there are no older children, we can model narration a few times as parents, to help a child understand what might be done. If the passage was genuinely too long, we might read shorter passages for a time. We might ask a child to act or draw something, or use dolls or legos or other props as a bridge to explaining with words alone what was learned. Whatever early crutches are used, the most important thing is perseverance. A child who must narrate day after day after day is a child who is thinking, using his mind, and by using it, strengthening it, just as those physical muscles of arms and legs are strengthened only by use.

    Narration might be called “oral composition,” and a child who narrates frequently, first orally, and later also in writing needs no writing or composition curriculum. Something happened early in my homeschooling journey that convinced me narration was a better path to writing than other methods. My son was six years old and in first grade. A friend’s son was a year older and using the second grade curriculum from a popular textbook company. My friend spoke to me on the phone, and voiced her frustration over her son’s writing. His schoolbook assigned him to write “two sentences about the Pilgrims and the Indians.” He produced, “The Pilgrims are nice. The Indians are nice.” His mother/teacher was disappointed in the performance, and did not see that the real short-coming lay with the textbook, and with the assignment that asked him to put pencil to paper and remember how to write letters, spell words, and punctuate and capitalize correctly, while also producing written content. As it happened, I had just that week finished reading an age-appropriate book on the same topic to my first grader — The Thanksgiving Story, by Alice Dalgliesh — and after finishing, had simply asked, “Tell me what you know about the first Thanksgiving.” I reckoned that his narration would have filled a couple of pages, if it had been a written composition, and not an oral one. But, on the other hand, if I had asked him to write, I doubt he could have produced even two sentences as correct as his friend’s.

    I realized then how powerful narration could be — how it could allow a child to express himself and tell what he knew far beyond his ability to write answers to questions, and that incident alone gave me the determination to believe what Charlotte said about narration, and follow through with it to the end. And so we did. I listened to oral narrations for years and years before I asked for written narrations, and I allowed time for my children to grow fluent in their written narrations (because writing is not exactly the same thing as talking), and finally I taught them to shape their written narrations into traditional forms, such as essays, comparison papers, and precis.

    Charlotte Mason did not invent the concept of narration. It has a place in the rhetorical training of ancient Greece and Rome, and Erasmus prescribed it in On the Right Method of Instruction:

    The master must not omit to set as an exercise the reproduction of what he has given to the class. It involves time and trouble to the teacher, I know well, but it is essential. A literal reproduction of the matter taught is, of course, not required — but the substance of it presented in the pupil’s own way.

    However, she did recognize the power of it, as well as its special ability to secure attention, and made it central to her method of education in a way that had not been widely practiced before. She developed the practice for both classrooms and homeschools, and it works in both venues. If we remember that we are not called upon to teach our children to think, but rather to give them something to think about, and in fact require them to think by asking them to narrate, we have the very central piece of the whole Charlotte-Mason-puzzle which will link every lesson to every other lesson, the past to the present, and the minds of our children to the minds of every thinker they are privileged to read.

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  • Reply Karla A October 19, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Thanks for this post! Do you have any special advice for those of us trying narration with a special needs child with speech delays?

    • Reply Brandy Vencel October 23, 2013 at 10:37 pm

      Karla, I don’t think Karen is checking the comments here. However, have you checked out the LD special forum in the AO Forums? Tammy Glaser there has taught her autistic daughter to narrate, so you might want to check out her blog and maybe search for “aphasia” or something. She has written before about how she’s adapted narration training for her speech issues.

    • Reply Karla A October 24, 2013 at 6:41 pm

      Thanks Brandy! I am part of the subforum Thanks! 🙂 yes! Tammy is great and I should definitely search her blog for specific narration posts.
      I’m the special needs leader at our local support group and she will be so nice next month to have a skype session for us! I’m very excited! I will ask her then as well. Thanks!

      Karla (aka clay1416)

    • Reply Brandy Vencel October 24, 2013 at 6:55 pm

      Wow. A Skype call? That is pretty awesome!

    • Reply Karen G. October 27, 2013 at 6:48 am

      Brandy is right…I haven’t been back to look at the comments much. I actually have a child with speech delays (my youngest), and she is currently nine. I cannot speak to the efficacy of my method, but I can tell you what I decided to do. Wait. For this child, instead of 6, I waited until 9 to begin oral narration. (I tested the waters a few times, and just felt it wasn’t time). Now, at 9, she is approximately as articulate as my other children were at 6 or 7. She has auditory-processing issues, so she usually reads along while I read aloud, and is still very much a beginning narrator. But she couldn’t have read along at age 6. Tune in five years from now and we’ll see how it’s going. 🙂

  • Reply Nelleke Plouffe October 18, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Thank you so much for this very practical and helpful advice. I’m pinning this for future reference (my oldest is only 5). I know I’ll need to hear it again when I begin to ask for narration.

  • Reply Gina October 17, 2013 at 12:44 am

    I SO needed to hear this! Thank you for sharing!

  • Reply Carol October 16, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    So true about perseverance & strengthening the mind by use. I panicked with one of my boys who was very late with everything & put narration aside & tried other ways. When he was 17 yrs old I started again in earnest; AO 8 books & oral narrations for everything he read & he just took off. Very helpful, thanks Karen.

  • Reply Anonymous October 16, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Excellent explanation and examples! We have children from 6-12 and have had all kinds of beginners from the one word answerers to the non-stop talkers. In recent years our older have been learning to get more detailed in their responses and we’ve enjoyed seeing the fruit of this method.


  • Reply Dawn October 16, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    I wholeheartedly agree with Lauren. I have been studying CM for two years, but will only begin implementing AO in the very near future as my oldest is about to turn 6. As I am thinking about beginning narration practically rather than theoretically it makes me a bit anxious. This post helps ease that stress, though, and I thank you for it.

  • Reply Ellen October 16, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    I went to my very first Charlotte Mason meeting locally a couple of nights ago, and there was talk of narration and a sample Bible narration. 🙂 I’ve been doing “Story of the World”, and there is a list of questions at the end of each section and/or you can have them narrate, and then it gives a sample narration. So far, I’ve been asking the questions. I’m nervous. Seth is only 6. How much should he be able to narrate at this age? I think I read suggestions for that somewhere, but I don’t know where…

    • Reply Brandy Vencel October 23, 2013 at 10:17 pm

      Ellen, I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to reply to this. I am soooooo far behind on the comments from this series!

      Anyhow, age 6 is when CM began to train her students to narrate. So far, I’ve trained three children at that age, and I can only say that sometimes it takes a full year for them to really get it, whereas some get it after two tries. In her books, she says she begins by training them “paragraph by paragraph” but I had one who needed even smaller chunks, especially if the paragraph was at all long {I also had one that needed more than that to make sense of anything — the training stage seems to be very subjective and individual}. Some children do better if we start with having them narrate something more experiential, such as a walk or a trip to the zoo. But all of this to say: six is the age to train, but training may take quite a while, depending on the child, so don’t be discouraged if that is the case with your child! 🙂

      Hope that helps a little…

  • Reply Lauren October 16, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Thank you. My six-year old son is pretty reticent when it comes to narrating. It’s good to be reminded not to show frustration with him and not to “lead” him by asking questions about the story, which I am often tempted to do. I wholeheartedly believe in the CM curriculum though I am new to it, and articles like yours help so much!

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